Post details: Historical Hoax At The Grange

02/03/09

Historical Hoax At The Grange

The following was sent into us by our friend Richard Fiennes Clinton:

There was a story that broke at the end of 2008 about an amazing discovery at the Grange. For those of you unfamiliar with the Grange, it is the historical home located behind the newly renovated and restored Art Gallery of Ontario. It was constructed in 1817 by the Boulton family, who were a prominent clan in early Toronto (York). The Boultons lived in the house for a few generations and "The Grange", as they called their manor, eventually passed to the widow of one of the Boulton men. She remarried, and along with her new husband Goldwin Smith, set the wheels in motion for the house to eventually become an art gallery. Through many transitions over the last century, it evolved into the Art Gallery that we know today.

The "amazing discovery", pieced together from various accounts that I've heard, is more or less as follows. A descendant of Henry Whyte, a long time butler of the Grange, who was living in Boston, came across his ancestor's papers. Having no real interest in them, he sent them up to Toronto where they eventually ended up as a donation to the Grange. They arrived in the midst of the flurry that was the regeneration of the AGO, complete with Frank Gehry's curvy glass installation on the Dundas side of the Art Gallery. When the documents arrived, they turned out to be relatively mundane journals documenting the day to day life below stairs at the Grange. They chronicled how many bottles of wine were consumed and how many dinner parties were thrown. But out fell a map of the property, complete with a number of enigmatic "x" marks. It seemed a mysterious treasure map, and while the modern twenty-first century additions were being constructed, anthropologists and archaeologists apparently went to work, digging up to see what could be found in all those spots marked with an "x".

According to the story, the "x" marks identified the location of a number of strange wax and clay bundles. Another long time employee, Mary O'Shea, had apparently started working at the Grange at the tender age of 17. For about thirty years, it seemed, she would take a number of small items - sugar, spices, a children's doll, a braid of hair, a rabbit's skull, deer bones, and even small quantities of human blood - and then roll them up in spent candle wax and clay and then bury them all over the house and property. One of the prize finds were some letters that had been intended for her family back in Ireland, but had been returned. They were sent back sometime at the end of the 1840s, presumably after Mary O'Shea's family had been wiped out in the Great Irish Potato Famine.

I was intrigued by the story, as many were. Who was Mary O'Shea? Why drove her bizarre compulsion to capture these items and preserve them in wax and clay and then hide them all around the house and grounds? Did she intend for them to be discovered, or did she hope that they would be eternally hidden away? Was Whyte really responsible for the map, and if so, why did he do nothing to bring her strange actions to a close? Most of it might have seemed harmless enough, but some things, especially sugar, were of great financial value.

I went on the first tour of the archaeological dig in mid January, and was amazed! It was like the set of "CSI : Toronto", only set in the mid 1800s. It seemed that one Dr. Chantal Lee, an anthropologist with an organization called "Anthropological Services Ontario" was heading up the dig. The entire thing had been suspended to help celebrate the re opening of the Art Gallery. AND it was great to have an opportunity to see the Grange again. It was closed done, like much of the rest of the AGO during the construction. It seems that there will no longer be admission to the general public, at least after these special tours have ended, as it is to become an exclusive lounge soley for AGO members.

The following two websites gave some introductory information. The first is the website of the "ASO" and the second links to the AGO / Grange itself.

http://www.anthserv.ca/Grange_2008.html
http://www.ago.net/grange-tour

Shortly after my euphoric visit, it came to light that the whole thing was a hoax. The following article appeared in the Toronto Star on Thursday, January 22nd.

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/575058

There never was a Mary O'Shea (well, okay, there probably was, but there was never the Mary O'Shea as mentioned in the tour at the Grange). The strange little bundles that were credited to her, the archaeological dig to uncover them, and even, presumably, the diaries themselves were all fabricated. Even Dr. Chantal Lee is a total fabrication. The whole thing is "art", I guess, put on by one Iris Häussler.

I felt upset at being duped by the whole thing. I mean, Chantal Lee's business card has a gmail address. What kind of anthropologist has a gmail address for professional purposes? And reviewing the tour in my mind, I suddenly realized that there were all these little quirky bits of history that I should have been suspicious about.

I actually feel kind of angry about the whole thing - angry at the AGO, angry at the "artist", and angry at the volunteers who conduct the tours, if indeed they realize that they are fooling the masses. If they had advised people from the start, that the whole thing was a set up, I think I'd find it much more acceptable. We'd all know it was fake, but even getting people excited about fake archaeology can point them in the right direction. But I wonder how many people will walk away from this thinking they've been exposed to real history. Will they be angry if they discover it isn't? What if this was their one and only exposure to this kind of thing?

I think what really upsets me the most is that we actually do have enough interesting history in Toronto to promote, without relying on made up crap. Spadina Museum ~ that overshadowed neighbour of Casa Loma ~ has a wonderful gallery on the archaeolgical dig that went on underneath the 1866 house. Fort York has a great archaeological exhibit too. The Parliament buildings that were torched by American soldiers in 1813 lay under the parking lot of a car dealership ... but staring through the chain link fence and imagining what's underneath the asphalt is a more worthwhile and "truthful" historical pursuit than visiting the made up junk at the AGO.

I went on the tour again today, a week after the Toronto Star published their article (mentioned above) revealing the whole thing as a hoax. I had hoped that at the end, there would be a disclaimer, something maybe only slightly apologetic but leading into something encouraging ... "See!! We made this up by archaeology and history CAN be this fun!!" But no. They're still pretending it's real.

My final question is "What's the point?" Are they going to reveal to all us suckers that it's all made up? Are they going to contact everyone who signed in for the tour, and let us know it's a sham? Is this their attempt at "performance art"? Or is it a way to increase tour sales and help pay for Gehry's additions and help get back all that admission money that they lost when they were closed?

Even if it is "art", I'm still angry. I wonder how long it would take them to notice that I'd snuck in, pinched a nice Group of Seven, and replaced it with a crudely drawn replica, rendered in crayon? That'd be a hoax, too ... but what's the difference?

Enditall

Comments:

Comment from: S.D. [Visitor]
The difference between you switching a Group of Seven painting and "He Called Her Amber," is that the former is outright theft - and the latter is an immersive experience meant to inspire further exploration into the lives and customs of Irish immigrants in the late 19th century. (Not to mention architecture, archaeological exploration, and Canadian history.)

Simply because Iris Häussler's work isn't "real," oesn't mean it's not without merit, and certainly doesn't mean it's crap.

Miss Häussler isn't hard to get ahold of (iris@haussler.ca), nor is the AGO (416 979 6648) and I'm sure either would be more than capable of explaining the intent of the exhibit to you.
PermalinkPermalink 02/10/09 @ 11:39
Comment from: Admin [Member] Email · http://pastyme.uppercanadianheritage.com/
S.D. -> I will pass along your comment to Richard. Thank you for your feedback.
PermalinkPermalink 02/10/09 @ 13:13
Comment from: Richard [Visitor] Email
Dear S.D.,

Thanks for your comment. I think that this installation will illicit a lot of strong comments, both for and against. Everybody's feedback is valid, and I welcome a discussion about this.

I'll be the first to admit that I approach this from a strictly historical view, and not really an artistic one. I would welcome the chance to inspire anyone to explore all the things you mentioned, whether it's archaeology, architecture, history, and so on.

However, I feel that the main problem of this is that in this example, it all begins from a false premise. What's presented is simply not an historical truth. That in itself is not even a problem, if people go in realizing this. But it is presented as truth, and I think there is a great jeopardy that people will go away with a bitter taste in their mouth if they then discover the reality.

I would have no problem with this being presented as a "what might have been" - that could certainly spark an interest in all the things that you make reference to. But what really upsets me is that this is laid out and presented as something real, when it isn't. To me, that is gross and blatant deception, and nothing but.

Like I said, I offer my opinions stricty from an historical vantage point. I would not begin to comment, one way or the other, on this installations validity as an artistic piece. I welcome any kind of discussion on this, and just hope that said discussions will result in increased awareness of real, honest, actual Toronto culture and history.
PermalinkPermalink 02/10/09 @ 18:17
Comment from: Jonathan Culp [Visitor] Email
Well a hoax isn't a hoax if you announce 'this is a hoax' at the beginning of the tour!

I just got tipped off and I think it's absolutely hilarious and apt - there WERE clues (the fresh scent of 150-year-old beeswax in the highly unlikely entombed workshop, anyone?) and the joke is on me for not noticing them.

And the joke is also on you, of course...and as such, I find your over-the-top finger wagging pretty hilarious too. I mean, what is this, the PTA? I hope that once the dust settles you will rediscover your sense of humour and admit to the genuine pleasure and personal usefulness of being 'had'!

(PS - I for one am MORE interested in Toronto history after seeing this exhibit, and I don't believe for a moment that it diverts resources from your pursuits - this isn't the History Gallery of Ontario, after all)
PermalinkPermalink 02/25/09 @ 20:06
Comment from: Richard [Visitor] Email
What's the point of knowing stuff if you can't point the finger at people who make stuff up?

Although I was pretty upset when I learned that it was a "hoax" (and when I wrote the article), I can acknowledge and appreciate your good hearted response to this exhibit. It's good to know that not everyone felt "turned off" by "real" history when they learnt the truth.

Unfortunately, it's not a unanimous response. For those people, like you, who feel more driven to discover the truth after visiting this exhibit, well ... all the more power to you! But I know that there are people who feel the opposite, because they've told me.

I've spent years discouraging rumours about history, and encouraging people to visit museums. I would just be upset if a "hoax" exhibit drove people away once they finally made the leap into paying admission.

And stuffy historical type people aren't supposed to have senses of humour, anyway.

(See? That last bit was a joke).
PermalinkPermalink 02/25/09 @ 22:30
Comment from: Sue [Visitor] Email · http://urbanzoo.suedarroch.com/
I cannot comment on the exhibit itself because I have not seen it. However, over time I have accepted that the only time art & history should mix is in portraits (my opinion only)

Years ago I would have agreed with Jonathan completely, but over time I have seen how (one example) films that claim to be "based" in truth are taken as actual history it makes me question people's capacity to enjoy them while realizing that they do not provide an accurate history lesson.

I've met many people who for instance think that everything presented in the film Brave Heart is accurate. The Scottish hero is shown having a sexual encounter with a Princess of Wales who would have in reality been between 8-10 years old when the real William Wallace was being executed. What does that impart about the hero?

Another film (by Mel Gibson again) The Patriot shows things like the burning of people in a church that in truth never happened. Yet, I have seen people on American history forums arguing that it happened and they believe it because they saw it in a movie. This belief has clouded their views on the British, and unfairly so.

These films can also be labeled as "art" and because they imply accuracy they dupe the public, which only serves to the dumbing down of North Americans (imho) and this to me sounds similar to the affect of the exhibit on some people.

I am certain that there are people leaving the AGO who will believe they have gotten an accurate history lesson, and in turn spout this off to others long after the exhibit is packed up, and forgotten.

It is easy to write these people off as stupid, or humourless, or not "getting" art, but that type of an attitude does not serve to educate nor impart a greater appreciation of art in my own opinion.
PermalinkPermalink 02/26/09 @ 08:46
Comment from: Ale [Visitor] Email
Hi,
I'm one of the tour guides at the Grange who does this exhibit. I understand how you might have felt disappointed when the information was revealed. I remember the first time I took the tour, when I was trained, when they told me at the end at first I was a little bit disappointed. That doesn't mean that I want to go back and have them tell me before hand. If you have been to do the Grange tour within the last couple of months, we have stopped giving out the 'business cards' with the artist's/"Chantal's" address. Now we give out a rather long letter, with a website url, contact information and an explanation (If that soothes your worries on the lack of disclosure.) Personally I think having the Grange tour is a wonderful experience for people. I'm in my third year of a university degree in History, and I really feel as though more should be done to get people interested in the subject. Public elementary and high schools do very little to encourage any genuine interest in the subject, most people fall asleep while being drilled on the same Canadian events. Honestly if I have to hear about confederation one more time.... Why don't we learn about fun Canadian history like the rebellion of William Lyon Mackenzie, with his wicked cool red wig? When it comes to art history if you ask most high schoolers to name a Canadian painter they will just say 'group of seven' (probably not even any individual names) because that's all there is to our curriculum. I was copying Tom Thomson's in art class since I was in the second grade. Does that mean that's all our country has to offer by the way of art-heck no. But that's what we're taught. The Grange tour gets people interested, it's exciting. It's both history and Canadian created art. Believing in it is half of the excitement, if we announced at the beginning that it was a story, it would be ruined. More over the art concept element would be lost. My concern however personally is more about people having fun with history. I understand that the Grange tour is not "real" and as such not necessarily a learning experience in the strictest sense. However many elements of the story are true, the story of the Boulton's, the items in the household, the type of life servants would have led (minus the wax part and Mary,) I could spend the full forty minutes of the tour talking about architecture, furniture, and Henry Boulton's debt problems, but would that be fun? No, not really. Yes there are lots of other historic houses and sites in Ontario worth seeing, but maybe not something your average person might want to spend their Saturday afternoon doing. The Grange gets people interested, so that maybe they will be inspired to see these other more obscure sites. In fact a lot of the people that take the Grange tour just wander in by accident, having no idea there was a historic house attached to the AGO. I think a perfect example of how effective the Grange is in exciting people is one little girl I think she can't be more than about seven. She has taken the Grange tour over eight times. I've had her twice on my tour. Every time she brings a new friend. She LOVES the tour, she LOVES the story, and she LOVES to try and lift cast iron pots. Maybe this exact story didn't occur, but how many women were in Mary O'Shea's sad position during the 19th century? How many bored neglected serving women were desperate to find some creative outlet? Just because this has been a contrived artistic work doesn't make it implausible in it's core. Lives of women, and lives of servants in our history have been greatly ignored. Obscured by their husbands and sons. There is a movement to try and uncover their reality, but it's hard when most of the sources we have are written by white rich men. I think that speculation is healthy, it allows our mind to try and encompass the suffering and the trials of the lives of the forgotten; women, children, servants, minorities, lower class, and the illiterate. Getting caught up on what is strictly in the text book just narrows our ability to try and empathize with these very real people, and is part of the reason why our fabulous historic sites aren't getting the attention they deserve.
PermalinkPermalink 03/24/09 @ 22:30
Comment from: Hamish [Visitor] Email
I have just returned from a visit to the AGO this weekend. I had no idea that the Grange house was attached to the gallery; I stumbled in whilst trying to find the washrooms. I took the tour and thought it was absolutely marvellous as a piece of performance. The guide managed to convey so many subtle aspects of Mary's life as a servant of that time, separated from her family at a young age, completely alone and at the mercy of her new employers. It doesn't matter whether she existed or not. It also worked beautifully in the theatre of arranging a sneak look into Miss Lee's office, which brought a conspiratorial bonding to the whole group.

I participated in a similar exercise at the Edinburgh festival a couple of years ago by attending an event advertised as an architectural tour of the university buildings. As it progressed the information became more and more bizarre until my credulity had been strained beyond tolerance, but I admired the theatre of the piece immensely. In that case, the closing items were so outrageous that the reveal was implicit. In the Grange case, the reveal is delayed, which at least allows some time for contemplation and reflection.

Assuming that the tour takes the same form on each run, you would have to be fairly credulous not to suspect something was afoot even before you left the entrance hall. Once you've worked that out, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I thought it was wonderful.
PermalinkPermalink 04/26/09 @ 22:30
Comment from: Admin [Member] Email · http://pastyme.uppercanadianheritage.com/
My 13 year old daughter is going to the AGO on a class trip next week. If she is sucked in by this does it make her over credulous, should she just sit back and enjoy the false history lesson ride?

Sorry not everyone is as "with it" with their historical knowledge as you Hamish. The evidence for this is in the people who continuously quote films like the Patriot, Braveheart, Marie Antoinette as historical gospel because that is their only exposure to those periods in history, and they do not know any better.

If it is "theatre" they should clearly mark it on the ticket and then there would be no issues for anybody. I thought the AGO had a responsibility to be educating, as well as entertaining to ALL including the "credulous".....

As for this statement from "Ale"

"most of the sources we have are written by white rich men."

Who the heck taught you that????

I guess the writings, and diaries of Susanna Moodie, Catherin Parr Trail, James Fitzgibbon, Elizabeth Simcoe, Laura Secord (not the chocolate store) the recounting of the life of Harriet Tubman... shall I go on, and on....have been somehow missed by you?

Here is a fairly good listing of historical diaries written by Canadian women if you truly are interested in the subject:

http://info.wlu.ca/~wwwbrant/pages/people/kcarter/

Sorry, a good historical guide should be able to impart a sense of empathy for the plight of certain people without resorting to lying, and calling it art.

I love Spadina House for example for its real history told very well by the excellent guides there. They do not have to put a woman pretending to give birth in the Austins bed for me to understand what it must have been like to have a baby in those days. I have an imagination, and a good tour guide with the ability to relate the history is all that would be needed for me to have a better appreciation for the location.


PermalinkPermalink 04/27/09 @ 06:45
Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor] Email · http://doubledeckerbuses.org/blog/
Would the wankers who can only suggest how stupid everyone is for not LOVING this installation and getting all warm and fuzzy over it spontaneously combust if they wrote something like... oh, I dunno...

Well, I understand your point of view, but I enjoyed it... and felt that the hoax bit was necessary to it... I guess different people have different tastes and different priorities.

If they tried this, would they go "Kaboom"?

Geez, it's like reading the comments from twerps who's only exposure to classical music was a faded VHS tape of Tom Hulce as Mozart and, Ergo: Mozart can ONLY be enjoyed via big studio productions and all other music of the genre sucks!

Oh, not to mention that cloned fanboiz, pseudo-OCA(D)-pomp, echo-chamber this has become with the sheeple commenting all parroting each other... to the point where, HONESTLY, it's time to start checking IP addresses! It's less criticism of Richard's point of view and more "You are an idiot! BLEAT! You are an idiot! BLEAT! You are an idiot! BLEAT! You are an idiot! BLEAT!"

Un-hunh...

Granted, there are still morons who applaud the idiot who slashed the 19th century paintings in the NYHS in the name of his own "performance art"... and the guy who did the same thing at MOMA... and the other guy who did the same things at The Guggenheim... BLEAT!

That's just my opinion, of course.
PermalinkPermalink 04/27/09 @ 06:57
Comment from: Admin [Member] Email · http://pastyme.uppercanadianheritage.com/
For those of you who may be reading these comments, and noted we have become a bit harsher it is because we as blog owners see the IP addresses attached to the comments, so no matter how many times different email or names are being put into the field it will still log the IP address.
PermalinkPermalink 04/27/09 @ 08:03
Comment from: Hamish [Visitor] Email
My goodness you're a volatile group! No matter, I'll re-enter the fray.

Should your 13 year old daughter sit back and enjoy the ride of the hoax tour at the AGO? Of course she should! Hopefully it will cause her to think deeply about the lives of the servants at that time highlighted by the experiences of another girl who was only a few years older than her at the time. Mary O'Shea may be fictitious but there's no doubt that many displaced Irish girls were forced to lead isolated, difficult lives.

I would hope that your daughter is smart enough to think critically about all information that is passed to her, be it in museum tours, newspapers or the wider media. If not, this would be an excellent opportunity to examine some of the issues and motivations surrounding those channels.

Those who participate in historical re-enactment gain a lot of valuable knowledge, and enjoyment, from their activities. Their experience is not diminished by the fact that they resume their modern roles each Monday morning. Many of our better museums use actors to reprise typical roles whether or not that particular character actually existed.


PermalinkPermalink 04/28/09 @ 18:01
Comment from: matthew [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/blog/
Volatile? Us? Well, when you see a pattern... and note an account coming from the same IP... we get cranky... but allow me to go through your lovely and well researched comment above...

Should your 13 year old daughter sit back and enjoy the ride of the hoax tour at the AGO? Of course she should!

Yes, if she knows it's for "entertainment purposes only" and made clear at the start... not a hoax perpetrated in the name of... um... art?

Even psychics HAVE to make sure that people know their readings, whether they feel they have a "gift" and are being accurate or not, have to state, AT THE OUTSET, that it's all for "Entertainment Purposes Only" by law... How come hoaxed history (at a site that HAS a governmental historic designation) does not in your eyes?

Would you be as cool if... say... children were being given a "similar" bit of "art/entertainment" at an extremist branch of the Baptist Church where they are told about the demonic possessions because of various "sins" they probably already have committed?

Hopefully it will cause her to think deeply about the lives of the servants at that time highlighted by the experiences of another girl who was only a few years older than her at the time.

Well, I know that her experience visiting dozens (literally) of historic sites and museums with us is probably not as terrific as cheesey artistic "fan-fic" at a gallery... but one might think our involvement for the last seven years with various historic re-enactment groups (The Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment and IMUC being the most notable... but we have been involved with several others as well...) and her parents being regular correspondents with Dr. Carl Benn and many others with Toronto Heritage and Museums... and friends with Kyle and Robin Upton who have extremely close ties to Fort George and other Niagara Parks, and friends with Kevin Windsor (manager/director of Niagara Museums) and John Robert Colombo (the Canadian "list" author) might have given her a TOUCH more insight than most... but hey, perhaps not...

Ooo! Can I also mention the parental units lecturing at Ryerson and University of Toronto on historic subjects and being considered, by members of OISE, that we are effective experts in several areas of Ontario's folklore... how about our articles for YYZ magazine?

Oh, and even the renaissance "re-enactor" groups like the SCA admit, right out of the gate, that they are "anachronistic"... it's even in their own name.

Still, considering EVERY child has our child's experience, surely they'll see a demi-historic site/gallery is only pushing fiction in the name of art... oh? What? They don't have us to chat with or anyone like us???

...and the fact it's bogus is NOT being pointed out by staffers???

Nevermind...

I would hope that your daughter is smart enough to think critically about all information that is passed to her, be it in museum tours, newspapers or the wider media. If not, this would be an excellent opportunity to examine some of the issues and motivations surrounding those channels.

Point above... we do... and how many don't???

Again, how many people think Mel Gibson's flicks "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" are documentaries?

Ask around... it'll scare you! (If you need a real larf, find our how old Isabella was when "Braveheart" knocked her up... and how many YEARS after his death she gave birth to "his" son!)

Also, we warn her against "liars for fame and profit"... What, pray tell, would this exhibit be for?

Oh, and can we address re-writing history for ANY reason? Why is that usually done???

To cut to the chase, do we need to ADD to the "dumbing down" of the populace in the name of "art" and to make an artist famouse??? Methinks not... but hey, that's just me, I'm sure...

Those who participate in historical re-enactment gain a lot of valuable knowledge, and enjoyment, from their activities.

Really? Tell me more! We have so little experience...

Their experience is not diminished by the fact that they resume their modern roles each Monday morning.

Most of them don't "lie" while in their hobbies, mind you... Trust me, try wearing polyester or rubber boots as a participant on a War of 1812 battlefield re-enactment!

Many of our better museums use actors to reprise typical roles whether or not that particular character actually existed.

Really!?! Which ones use fake figures and try to pawn them off as "real"? If they're in Ontario, do let us know... we have several people we know who would LOVE to have a word with those site directors and managers! (Oh, we DO know that this sort of "acting" is encouraged amongst staff wishing to find other employment!)

Why stop at Ontario... Have you ever spoken to anyone who works for English Heritage or "worse", The Historic Royal Palaces in Britain... or the caretakers of The Palace of Fontainebleau or The Château de Versailles? We have... and they'd just LURVE them anachronisms to get the crowd whooped up! Trust me! (...just wear something cushiony on your tush when you talk to them and suggest doing that...)

Sorry, this rebut is an, as they call it on the modern Intertubes, EPIC FAIL!

Sorry, your arguments are factually inconsistent, without study, and most importantly, don't address the true issues at hand... but thanks for trying!

{Volatile Mode Off!}
PermalinkPermalink 04/28/09 @ 18:49
Comment from: Hamish [Visitor] Email
Hmmm, cranky indeed.

Just as an aside, rather than continue with the main discussion theme here, what are these references to monitoring IP addresses and seeing patterns?

{curious mode on}
PermalinkPermalink 04/28/09 @ 20:52
Comment from: matthew [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/blog/
Cranky, yes... admittedly!

Anyway, oddly enough, your first comment shared an IP with one previous (non-Hamish) commenter... and shared an ISP range (for rotating IPs) with two others...

Now, either this is the Grand Bull Moose Award Winner of Coincidences... or a case of multiple personality disorder... or, perhaps, as it's been said before in another place... "Roommates" or the like "sharing" a computer... and a viewpoint?

It's like I said... I saw a pattern... and Sue confirmed the pattern was a likely situation...

Coincidence? Possible... but really HIGHLY unlikely. (I'm a tech for a living.)

Either way, as an amateur (with good connections to professional,) historian getting the above "report" from a professional historian all of us dealing with historic sites on almost a daily basis...

...and yet, the comments above in this blog don't seem to be those of any known historians... or certainly, not of any we know of from Ontario Heritage, Parks and Heritage Canada, any re-enactment group(s), The OMA, or pretty much anyone else... and the similar post on the FaceBook had nothing but people agreeing that the "art" was a little "off" in terms of historical and educational value.

Odd that, don't you think?

Now, I'll be the FIRST person to mention a feeling of "conspiratorial nature" to my thoughts... which is somewhat borne out but still icky... but I have to acknowledge that still, the "switch" of the FaceBook and message board comments to the ones from commenters on this blog are... well... astounding and worthy of study...

...and no, not for a faked art exhibit.
PermalinkPermalink 04/28/09 @ 21:23
Comment from: Hamish [Visitor] Email
Thanks for the explanation, I was becoming concerned that you thought I was misrepresenting myself. I assure you that I have only ever contributed to this blog as Hamish - and I have no knowledge of any Facebook discussion on the same subject.

I am not a troll and I am the sole user of this computer. I just responded to the original request to contribute to a discussion on this subject. I admire your passion and wish you well but you appear to be mistaking me for someone else. I'm always happy to discuss and defend anything I have said or written but you seem to be holding me accountable for other people's opinions.
PermalinkPermalink 04/28/09 @ 21:45
Comment from: matthew [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/blog/
No, no... I'm quite willing to accept "coincidence" as a possibility...

...as for holding you accountable for other people's opinions, no... you shared an opinion... and if you read my lengthier rebuttal, you'll see I only take your comments to task... verbatim... you made some statements which not only didn't ring true, in some cases, it was pretty much ill-studied "creative facts" at best... and yeah, honestly, I can state that without fear of being "proven wrong".

I am... heck, "we" are passionate about history and education... and we both love art... and although I find "performance art" outside the classic definitions of performance not to my own tastes, when hoaxery and lies are peddled to "make a point" (regardless of the point,) without proper acknowledgement of it being "fictional", yeah, the historian in me reacts.

...and if you're going to "rebut" this, PLEASE rebut my lengthier post above... as it contains, among other things, my (and Sue's) CV on our historical meanderings... and questions/arguments about your comments...

...I'm especially pleased with my asking about the Baptist church thing...
PermalinkPermalink 04/28/09 @ 22:13
Comment from: Hamish [Visitor] Email
Good response.

The reason I felt I was being held accountable for other people's opinions is that you keep bringing up the movie Braveheart as being historically inaccurate. Well I couldn't agree more, it's junk, I've never supported it as a historically factual account. Check my postings.

I did read your lengthier posting. It seems that you're an active amateur historian and have participated in some re-enactments. You've introduced your daughter to an appreciation of history and taught her some critical thinking. Whatever disagreement you and I may be having, I'm really pleased to hear that.


Regarding the Baptist Church analogy, personally I'm dissappointed that every organised religion doesn't begin every ceremony and sermon with a disclaimer and admission of hoaxery. However, it seems to give many people comfort so I see no reason to campaign against it.

Ultimately we both went through the AGO hoax experience. I thought it was valid to stimulate interest in the lives of servants in those houses, you thought it was a unjustifiable deception. I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

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I took a tour of the supposed Mary O'Shea exhibit at the Grange and was totally fooled into believing it was real, so were the other people on the tour. I find it disgusting they would try to fool people in the name of art and degrading to a wonderful historic home such as the Grange. The real tragedy is it's the taxpayer who is paying for this joke.
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